As is normal for pro-lifers, and by no means your fault because it is what is propogated in media and by word of mouth,
You misunderstand the situation when it comes to deformities in late term abortions.
You have to understand, that in the entire US, population something like half a billion, think about that number for a second, there are, sorry were, 3 late-term abortion doctors.
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Cases of downsyndrome, and other minor deformities or retardations do not make it to these doctors, it would be impossibe for them to make it to these doctors with the tens of thousands of minorly retarded or deformed humans born in this country on a daily basis.
These children are born, given life, and hopefully cared for, the ones you seem to think were being aborted. Doctors do not, and do not want to for the most part, perform late-term abortions in these cases.
In order for a deformity or retardation to be judged by these doctors to be morally just to abort, it has to be something like, and I'm getting the name wrong, but something like I think Manchester Disease... damn, can't think of the name, but it's a disease where literally the DNA is messed up, the child will be born if taken full term, but will die within an hour or so of birth, often the mother's life is in danger as well. Meanwhile in that hour, the child will be in tremendous and unrelievable pain. Doctors know they will be in pain, there will not be a moment of joy, and in their entire and short existance they will only know pain most cannot even imagine. They may literally have eyes on their feet, nothing will be right, but they're put together just well enough for the organs to support life for a very short time outside of the mother.
It's cruel cosmic joke that these things happen, but it's important to realize they do, and not turn a blind eye to these poor souls who are cursed in such a manner.
These diseases are common among victims of incest, not so much the general public,
but they do exist, and we have the moral obligation I think to save them from this miserable existance, and the mother of the child from potential death from complications.
These are the kind of deformities that make it to these "baby killers"
and not the kind you are thinking of.
I think one would have to be a real sadist, or just completely lacking common sense and empathy, to not realize that in these cases of deformity, abortion is the only moral option.
How can one let a living thing suffer like that? And how can one believe their god, whatever god they follow, would judge someone for taking such mercy?
No, the only explanation I can think of is that people are woefully misinformed about the individual circumstances that has lead these poor girls to these doctors, and it's important people learn so that hopefully more of these doctors are not killed.
It is very important first off, that life continue to evolve as it does on its own, through messy gene swapping complete with tiny mutations in DNA along the way.
But there is nothing inherent about cloning that would suggest nature would suddenly stop reproducing on its own at the same time.
Cloning is a wonderful way to feed the hungry, and to farm organs...
No, not like that galactica movie, where humans are killed for their organs,
I mean in a jar somewhere, a single organ that is a genetic match to your or my own organ, ensuring the organ is not rejected... organs have no self-awareness, so it's okay to do that, I know because a magic dude in the sky whispered it in my ear or something... Christians.
Terrorist
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
If the goal is to change policy, or terrorize a group of people until they adhere to whatever, it's terrorism.
On the right they try to say the Tillerman murder was just that, murder.
It was not, he had a clear political goal, and was part of a group who had a political goal of stopping abortion.
This is clearly terrorism.
Anytime a group or individual uses fear for a purpose, even if they do not kill anyone, it is terrorism.
ie, picketing outside of an abortion clinic and saying you are against abortion is not terrorism, it is protest.
picketing outside of an abortion clinic, manhandling these poor girls who are having a hard enough time as it is, telling them you are going to kill them even if you don't, or just telling them they are going to some mythical place called hell in order to scare them into doing what you want,
this is terrorism.
And personally I'm against it.
There is never anything to say. Death always comes too soon, on a grand scale, whether one dies at birth, or lives to some biblical age of hundreds of years, it's a blink of the eye, and all anyone ever has is the moment they are in right now.
Suicide leaves a hole that death in no other manner can. But you are right that little blame can be laid at anyone's feet for it, even the one who did it. And maybe that's why it hurts more, I don't know.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
Ignoring who really said what and how they said it, and what that person's beliefs really were, I'll just get to the actual point of what is being propogated.
Religion makes everything lamer, and only through science is the impotance of our imagination, no matter how wild we believe it to be, shown.
Example:
Religion defined stars as floating beings, or holes in some imaginary bubble. Wow, that's original...
This is what science has shown stars to be link
I find religion simplifies everything it touches, from people, to nature, to the cosmos. It labels all things black and white, when really everything is some shade in between. It either villifies or worships. It pretends to know the answers when there are none, and where there are, it claims there is no proof unless it's written in their book - no matter which religion one chooses.
Religion throughout history has worked to separate, in waves it says you are for us or against us, in one point in history crucifying, then when human nature is repelled by such ignorance, it sits on the sidelines, pretending to accept - really though, it only serves to divide and conquer or only conquer. Meanwhile, as scientists are killed for telling the world the sun does not revolve around it, or burned for suggesting it's not mystisism but elements which are the structure of the universe - it is always putting us in our proper place here, tiny, insignificant, and alone.
That we should be ironically what religion has said, that we should be shepards. But not for some invisible absentee landlord, but for ourselves, because we are the only ones who can truly lead us to greener pastures.
Religion was a necessary evil for a base and stupid people who had just realized they existed, and therefore someday would not. But I think of it as training wheels, and if we want to get anywhere, eventually we will have to take them off.
By 18 any person can have acquired the knowledge and wisdom to make an informed decision.
Many haven't, but many in their 60's haven't either in my opinion, so where's the cut-off going to be?
I'm actually for a standardized basic intelligence test that would have nothing to do with age for the right to vote, but that's fantasy land as every side has their idiots they depend on for a vote.
When age becomes important for decision making I think is when there is a long term health concern above and beyond what a normal adult would face. The brain is not finished developing in most cases until around the mid-twenties, and so alcohol for example can have long-term and permanent effects that would not be present in an adult.
Then again though, how do you stop an 18 year old from drinking if they really want to?
Anyway, I think 18 is old enough to make an informed decision on issues... maybe even 17. That's the lowest I would go though, I've met very few 16 year olds who I wasn't almost positive were mentally retarded.
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- The government proposes itself as the highest and only agency of justice in the land
- The government claims justification based on the SC.
- Thus the SC must be the highest and most moral contract in existence.
o Since it is the root of all other contracts enforced by the state.
- Thus the opposite of a SC must be unjust/immoral
- If A is just, anti-A must be unjust
LMAO, he’s using logic to try and prove a logical fallacy is true. No where does the Constitution claim it is perfect, in fact the authors knew it could not be. They said as much, and put in ways for people to change it when sections were no longer relevant.
Let me explain something, I know it’s fun to be all rebellious, and to take a little knowledge and try and support some oh so new and clever way to prove the inherent evils of the big bad government.
But what exactly would you or baldy from that video there propose? Would you really like anarchy? Would you like everything to be survival of the fittest? If I have a steak, and you and your child say are starving, do you think you could wrest that steak from my hands? What is to stop anyone from doing whatever they want with you or me if they are bigger or stronger? How will you survive?
Here's what happens in anarchy. It's brutal and bloody for awhile, then eventually people figure out they need rules to follow in order to survive.
Our Constitution is the rules we follow in order to survive. It's not perfect, but it's actually really really good all things considered.
I don't think it is generally that easy for straight guys to become gay.
This is all just my guess, I could be completely wrong,
but it seems like the percent of the gay prison population is inflated because you have straight people pretending to be gay for companionship or whatever as you said.
If that is the case, and it's not the case of people who really are gay simply having an excuse to act it out, which there is no reason to believe,
Then why would it be so easy to "turn" an otherwise straight person gay? Especially in light of the samples given daily by guys in bars across the world "if someone had a gun to your head, whose dick would you suck? X or Y"
Macho answer: "you better shoot me"
seems inconsistant.
I think that there's a couple factors
1. social. In the bar it's not okay to be gay, in the prison it has become okay.
2. the majority of prisoners have very low IQ's
On the second point, it's been shown that a person with a low IQ is easier to control, easier to manipulate, more likely to give in to immediate gratification.
On some level most people are a little gay, I don't believe it's a black and white issue, human sexuality is like a bell curve with branches and factors that are inumerable. A person closer to the apex of the curve, becomes more likely to participate in gay acts. Throw in the extreme circumstance of prison, a social attitude of complete acceptance coupled with the legitimate excuse of a need for companionship, one can see why an otherwise straight person would become gay for the time being.
And though I have not seen any studies, my guess would be the lower one's IQ, the further on the straight side of the curve they could be, and could still be manipulated to participate in gay prison relationships. As there are so many with low intelligence in prison, it kind of ads to the social acceptance, as even the straightest of people can be seen in gay relationships.
wow, he could have be talking to GWB.
But I do disagree with one point. Spending is the only way out of a recession, it's what got us out of the Great Depression, but it's important to spend on things that create jobs, not necessarily bailing out bad business.
Well sure Jake, some people work for the betterment of society.
But take away money, and see how many people want to do something to "better society."
And take away the money part of the equation, things like housing crisises and Bernie Madoffs don't exist, there's no reason to rip people off, and there's no way for money to influence policies in government.
But it just doesn't work. It has to be based on greed or people won't go along with it.
Of course some people volunteer their time, and are genuinely interested in the betterment of society, but even non-profits have a payroll. Non-profit just means the goal isn't making money, it's providing some service.
In Star Trek people don't work for money, they work for the betterment of society...
and only a society that works for the betterment of society and not for money will ever be all cool like that.
Money's just a necessary evil Jake, because people are still too dumb for the most part to do stuff for any other reason.
Instead of working hard to save money for college, the necessities should eventually be provided through technology, and people instead of having to work hard to go to college, can simply work hard in college. This equals smarter people who can make even better technology, or devote themselves to arts or whatever, instead of devoting themselves to flipping burgers. I realize even imagining a world where greed is not the cornerstone of society is akin to blasphemy in the church of capitalism, but eventually capitalism needs to be done away with... as the quote said, we just can't yet.
Our goal should be a society like Star Trek, where machines do all the crap work, and people do cool stuff like explore space.
Capitalism could never lead to this in a million years.
But we're still too dumb, greedy, base, and brutish to abondon the system yet
Right now it works well so long as it is ballanced with social programs and oversite.
Great quote.
yes,
not to mention the U.S. is both as well, and has been since it's inception.
But why remember police, firemen, military, social security, schools, and programs like FEMA when it does not help ones arguement?
very good xaeon.
Pure capitalism = monarchy eventually, as power consolidates itself by its nature, and nepitism is one of the most powerful human traits.
vegetables have no more or less life than that cluster of cells being aborted.
science determines the best it can when something has a life, why any abortion has to be performed before a certain point.
which I agree with completely by the way.
but if you think that something has a soul the second of conception, there obviously is zero way that we are ever going to agree on this.
I don't believe in a soul though, I think it's just a brain, and the brain isn't working at that point, so there is no self-awareness, kind of like a vegetable.
I'm not a tree hugging pacifist,
I just realize it's a ridiculous waste of a vote to not choose one side or the other,
and since democrats allow discention within their ranks, and republicans will even demonize General Powell, it seems incredibly logical to ally myself with democrats.
You seem to be under the impression in the abortion part of the debate, that making it illegal would stop it.
Even if one does for some reason believe that life begins upon conception (they would be wrong)
even then, making it illegal would not stop a single one. Abortions have been going on since before recorded history. Before it could be done in a safe and starile environment, it was done in basements.
You would revert to this brutal time in history, even knowing no lives would be saved, even knowing several more mothers would die,
all on the basis of some imagined moral ground?
The debate is about logic, not emotional self-righteousness,
which is why democrats will continue to win these kinds of debates.
Very good jessald, you saved me a lot of time.
I would have added in the Iraq part of the debate, that Saddam hated Al-Queda, and would never had allowed them to take a foot hold there, now it's their recruiting hot spot. I don't think we'll fully appreciate the irony of that for a decade or so.
Careful.
The problem with "Atlas Shrugs" (a great book I'll admit)
is it deals with extremes.
Money is not evil certainly.
But always remember, it is not good either.
It is exactly like every tool every human has ever had his hands on.
It can be used in any way any individual chooses.
And the way he chooses to use it, has very little to do with how he got it.
Hopefully that makes sense to you.
But definitely read the book.
lol, very possible, but it was Mirage, MGM Mirage is the company, the hotel I was at was the Mirage.
And I apoligize for farting in your vehicle... it's just something I liked to do to make the time go by. I thought it was hilarious, especially just before dropping it off, and you know they smell it but are too embarassed to say anything :)
