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Under your description, it's NOT anarchy... you basically described Marx's dream.

Anarchy is elimination of State, authority, and government. Basically, any structure of laws or authority would be anti-anarchy.

This does not guarantee the elimination of Capitalism. If we talk about Laissez Faire Capitalism, all it is is unregulated business. Under Anarchy, this is most possible. This would mean that anyone can run their own business... they just have to keep safe from thieves and random jackasses with bombs who do hate business.

Anarchy works in the sense that everyone is left to themselves. You protect your own shit, there's no government to protect you. No contracts either, that's only under "Anarcho-Capitalism". Basically, nothing to enforce anything but yourself. All's fair, but all sucks. But, it's completely fair and can basically work. No one's discriminated against because there is no authority to discriminate.

Anarchy's only bad if you wish to have order...

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I did watch the interview... he has some points, but it didn't seem like he actually had a plan... more like a dream.

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No, not more regulation. The fact was, corporations were already regulated. In fact, the overseers to the financial businesses were ENCOURAGING bad loans, which caused the major failure in most of our economy. Bad loans are bad for business. What government needs to focus on is placing their goals more on making the business stronger, instead of trying to help people who are too poor to afford a home.

What we need is oversight with corporatist intention instead of socialist intention.

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Capitalism with Corporate oversight would be better.

It's pretty close to what we have now, except what we had WAS regulated capitalism... and it caused the Recession.

What we need is government, if they're going to overseer Capitalism, is do it with Corporatist intent. That is, making sure Corporations make decisions that keep them going. Of course, this being Corporations as major as the banks. Car companies... screw them.

1 point

well, in the non-pacifist sense, is it winnable?

Like, we won WW2 even though we lost soldiers. That way. Is it winnable?

Militarily, it surely is (that's actually why I said "militarily". Because there's always something that gets fucked up).

2 points

Militarily they surely are. The problem is that our main goal (Iraqi Freedom) is very hard to accomplish, especially with the limited amount of troops that we have. Too many people in reserve, not enough on the battlefield. Also, there seems to be a lack of focus on attacking the main al-Qaeda leaders. We also need to focus on educating the Iraqi people. It's good that we give them care packages, but we also need to educate them and possibly eliminate most of their media services (since all they do is show films like Redacted and Fahrenheit 9/11 and quote people in America who say we're a torture nation as recruitment tools). We need to get the CIA more involved (if they aren't already, technically, we can't know about shit like that).

But as I said, militarily it's pretty easy. In fact, having both Iraq and Afghanistan gives us a major advantage if we ever go into Iran. And, it'll be good if we declared a World War. That way, we'll fix the economy while completely obliterating the enemy.

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yeah, that was uncalled for but i guess i can't expect a better retort than that.

how sad.

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yes, I forgot how much words can hurt Mother Earth's feelings.

sorry bout that.

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mainly because you act as if the amount of that we expel really are enough to automatically create warming. That somehow trees and plants stop doing their job. That, in fact, us humans are doing more than nature has EVER done in natural history.

and i forgot to say who said that:

Dr. Takeda Kunihiko who's the vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

1 point

you're the one who said "Don't you dare mock recycling" or w/e. As if it was that big of a deal that you needed to scold me.

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Doubt is actually very reasonable, especially when someone is willing to put more hysteria into an idea than they would into a well known fact where people are starving and dying in gutters.

Sorry if i got bigger problems.

the consensus is still valid and shouldn't just be dismissed because the independent scientists weren't part of some organization.

The points are simple. I don't care about which party believes in what. I disagree with Republicans on many things, and sometimes even think that they care more about corporations than they do about our lives. But the science behind global warming doesn't support that much that HUMANS are behind it. So why should there be so many unnecessary regulations and restrictions that only hurt us if we got bigger problems, like, failing banks and housing market.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.”

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oooo, i'm so sorry i "bad mouthed" recycling.

I guess I better censor myself in a debate. don't wanna hurt mother earth's feelings (she's a schizophrenic bitch if you ask me).

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I understand that it is a legitimate debate, and I don't claim to know everything about it.

My main problem is that other people seem to think that it is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO HAPPEN TO US SINCE GLOBAL COOLING!!!

the hysteria over it has always been my problem. I just feel we should focus more on something that we DO know is a major problem right now instead of something that is still in debate.

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In a study done by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April 1945, the figures of 7.45 casualties per 1,000 man-days and 1.78 fatalities per 1,000 man-days were developed. This implied that the two planned campaigns to conquer Japan would cost 1.6 million U.S. casualties, including 370,000 dead. In addition, millions of Japanese military and civilian casualties were expected.

According to the mass majority of figures done casualties would have been much larger on BOTH SIDES if we had invaded instead.

So... the bombings saved millions of more lives than an invasion would have.

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Actually, in order to actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE in our effect on the environment would mean to eliminate ALL uses of carbon emissions. Eliminate ALL uses of paper and plastic. Eliminate ALL uses of any type of oil. Eliminate ALL uses of filtered water (because really, who needs clean water?).

In order for US to make a POSSIBLE difference, it would basically mean to eliminate most of everything that we use EVERY MINUTE.

Simply making hybrid cars and recycling won't do shit.

Not to mention that humans have been through much worse shit than POSSIBLE global warming. What we need to focus on is what we DO KNOW is true. We DID KNOW that Hitler was killing innocent Jews and political prisoners. To me, that's enough. But, unfortunately, the same attitude existed then that exists now "we don't need an unnecessary war". In fact, we didn't fight Hitler until we were attacked by the Japs. Just how we didn't fight Saddam until we were attacked by al-Qaeda. We knew that Saddam was threatening us with nuclear weapons and we knew that he mentioned plenty of times before that he was restarting his nuclear program, but we didn't pay much attention because it would have been considered an unnecessary war. Plus, all the citizens he murdered for shit reasons didn't matter enough either. What it took was an attack from a random enemy who's related somehow. We would have never fought Hitler were it not for Pearl Harbor... Whoa... off topic. But anyway, we knew the bad shit he WAS doing, so it doesn't relate to Global Warming, which still has many different theories.

2 points

that's interesting and all, but your mass extinction theory hasn't been proven to the point that WE'RE responsible for it or what direction it's actually going. after all, over the past 100 years the climate has gone up and down.

what we do know for sure is that the economy is currently fucked and needs some major patching up.

the environment can wait till later. or, until some new theory comes up (first global cooling, then global warming, in 20 years we can hope for global time rifts).

2 points

When one or two corporations go out of business, i'm totally cool with that. It's social Darwinism in a Capitalist world.

But when banks and health insurance companies are failing and the housing market plummets, millions of people are screwed over by that no matter what. We need to stop that NOW, and focus on environmental issues later.

2 points

about why the economy needs more help?

well, because there are millions of people in poverty and right now corporations are failing left and right...

that's probably why i feel that way.

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that's a toughy. I don't give a fuck about Global Warming, but I do think that if we became energy independent it would make life so much easier.

It would also probably help our economy as well.

But since the other side says environment specifically, I find fixing the economy more important. Lets face it, it could always use MORE help. What we need is a Progressive Corporate Capitalist system. I know, the name is long but that's the only hybrid system that I could produce in my head that would WORK and continue our acceleration that Capitalism has successfully done for us so far.

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We understood that there would be massive death, of course... that was the point.

Japan wasn't going to surrender if just SOME people died.

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Actually, the incineration of the atmosphere was considered ALMOST impossible, but many scientists were still scared about it happening. Plus, they also felt it likely that the entire state of New Mexico would be destroyed.

Yeah, I forgot to say that it was the test where they thought the destruction would destroy the atmosphere. but they still weren't sure what would happen. and the effects afterward, they had no idea when they dropped it on Nagasaki. They figured there would be some fallout, but nothing like what ended up happening.

And they never even tested their initial bomb, Little Boy, which they just went with because they were pretty sure it would explode.

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They didn't know what the results would be. Some even thought that it might blow a hole through the atmosphere.

But they did it anyway.

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yeah, back when only America had it and no one knew what the hell it would do.

Now, everyone has them and knows exactly what they're capable of. Creating M.A.D.

2 points

Nuclear weapons have never been used because all the major nations have them.

When people like Mahmoud and Saddam are threatening to make nuclear weapons, it's hard to stop them when all we have a pea-shooters. Plus, many nations try to do it secretly. Imagine how fucked we'd all be if a nation created the only nuclear weapon (especially a lunatic like Kim Jong Il).


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