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It was not meant in that way jc. It's a reply to what Jake wrote. He would just like to piss them off by building it higher! Build it the way you wish just NOT because of anything to do with them.

The drawings you speak of are beautiful and will replace the towers nicely. I don't understand why you would want them the way they were or taller just to piss off the terrorists! No major city needs buildings that big and Manhattan is better looking now that those gargantuan buildings are gone from the skyline. Why taunt people who have no regard for us or our lives? No one made them smaller because we're afraid of these people. They're going to be a grand addition to Manhattan once they're built.

Pyggy...do you think that the BBC, PBS and NPR are corrupt as well? Since we have two of the three here in America, wouldn't it be beneficial to have a third just dealing with unbiased news? I'd pay for that! Don't you think one has to trust someone at sometime and not think everything or everyone is corrupt?

I don't believe there should ever be a limit on the amount of immigrants applying to this country for citizenship. All should be welcome here so long as they abide by the laws of this country and do their best to fit into the mainstream of life here, which includes learning the language. Immigrants built this country and continue to do so as they join the labor forces here.

Immigrants are not our enemies...it's the way they are handled that is. The immigration process should also ensure that the person cannot be deported for anything but illegal activity while their applications are in good standing. The process also needs to be much shorter than it is today. As I've said on other debates about this subject, I know people who have waited 17-18 years for their citizenship to come through. ESL should be mandatory and enlisting your children into the school process should also be mandatory. Checking in every 3-4 months should also be mandatory lest we lose track of people while they move about.

If we were a more welcoming country perhaps we wouldn't have to deal with the high number of illegal immigrants we see on the news and read about in the newspapers!

I cannot toally disagree with you Jess but all that expensive equipment is being paid for with people who have and pay for their services. No, I cannot disagree with your logic but I sure don't like it much when giving up a portion of your money making practice could save many lives in the end as well. I wish life were like "House." ;p

I do think we eat more meat then we should but these last years have found us eating healthier foods in general. With the addition of poultry and fish added to our diets I think we've come a long way from the meat and potato meals many of us grew up with and even our snacks are healthier than ever. I don't think meat equals murder in any way since most meats are raised for human consumption and the supply is never depleted because of this. Meat, in adequate and reasonable amounts, balances our diet and it's not that we couldn't all be vegan's or vegetarians but why not eat the meat that is given to us via the age old system of supply and demand when being either of those doesn't appeal to our personal tastes.

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A life is priceless...it has no price tag on it. If a young person is terminally ill, someone in the medical field needs to step up to the plate and lend their expertise to the situation. I so wish we had socialized medicine in this country or something very similar to it. Becoming a doctor is a very costly undertaking but abiding by your oath is something that costs nothing and can help beyond measure in time of need.

I may be Jake but I forgot to say what a slime ball Glenn Beck is too! He invites someone on his show and proceeds to lambaste him with "facts & figures" that make no sense out of context then throws the guy out after he over talked him for 10 minutes. He's just a rude hombre!

Those are the three basics I would have named but the fact still remains there is more than enough room in this country for more people. There are hundreds of thousands of acres of land throughout the states that stand unused because of location. Building helps location become viable and there's more than enough that could be done to accomodate the people who wish to live here.

Sorry, I meant drinking, voting, enlisting and stuff like that at 16...not just anything. It was a bad choice of words.

The only ACORN I trust are my Acorn shoes...they fit beautifully and are made to do what they claim. The other ACORN is as corrupt as all get-out!

I don't see the age of 16 being a very good age for anything other than driving with a junior license. I have nothing against 16 year olds, mind you, but I simply do not believe they have the wherewithal needed to make such a viable and heavy decision.

Up voted immediately my boy! Yours was a well put and truthful reply to the question yet they still do not bother to look up what constitutes a down vote or an up vote. Maybe because it was Sunday and their team was losing. Who knows, you cannot figure it out no matter how hard you try...and YOU know how hard I've tried!!! Have a great day mate!

Absolutely not. Letterman is a consummate tongue in cheek comedian and everyone knows this. Even the backwoods Palin's must be aware but it's her golden opportunity to keep a good thing going as she always does when her name is mentioned anywhere. Perhaps the lady doth protest too much? Her reputation and background are hardly as pristine as she would love everyone to believe. Sarah Palin should really back up, back off and try and be the Governor of the great snow covered state of Alaska where she can shoot all the game she can eat or probably wouldn't dare eat. Trophies seem to be her middle name...or was it Pristine?

Boy I sure don't get the way this stuff works...I'm at a loss here. Why can I not go to my debates and then the general debate section at will. And why do I always end up on Jess's page?

It's not that easy to become gay but when the choices are slight what does one do? Sex is one thing and having a loving, caring relationship is quite another. I'm surprised studies haven't been done on such things or maybe I simply haven't heard of them but I should think that a loving relationship would be difficult to come by when incarcerated. We are humans and as such we need the touch of another human being to sooth our souls. I can only wonder how the rest of the population who think they're straight take to this type of behavior!

Thank you Jess and I understand why you wouldn't wish to roll out all your personal problems on the internet...but you could do it as a friend asking about another friend if you're uncomfortable.

Thanks Loud...I just don't know how to do all that yet but I'm trying. Also, Jake has opened the same type of debate I have and I don't know if there is room for two here since we've never had a psychology section heretofore. Can you help me do what I have to do please because I'm really not understanding what I have to do in order for all to see my debates or have others contribute.

Either one is solely as the discretion of the patient and it so depends on which avenue of approach is best for your type of illness. One of the draws backs of ELS is still the problem with memory, long and short term. Even though ELS is gentler today there still remains the problem of memory.

ECLECTICISM THEORY AND THERAPY is a subject matter I am not familiar with so someone else may have to speak to that until I can bring myself up to speed on the mode, if you will.

I would try and comfort them in any way I could since this is a shocking revelation to the person. I would also advise them to divulge this diagnosis to anyone they've been in sexual contact with for the last 6 months to a year to see if further incidents might be avoided if they could do so. I would be open with them and to them in answering all questions I have the answers to and also advise them to do the research needed so they don't pass this on to others.

I'll take this side since Nichole took the other. I'm not at all certain on-line debate is the thing but she makes some good points. Years ago on every Saturday afternoon, TV had schools debating one another on any variety of topics and they seemed to be well mannered and civil not to mention that everyone allowed each debater to make their point without interruption! That was the best but today, on TV you watch the talking heads speaking over each other, each trying to outdo the other. If it was all like that I wouldn't like it very much and opt into the other side quickly! I liked the Presidential debates and thought they were fairly well handled by the moderators in charge. I thought they were very fairly done.

Sorry David, it was a given that they did indeed bring it up. I'm sorry for not explaining that further.

Yes, I think it is bad to spend an inordinate amount of time in front of a PC. I should think it would depend on what one does for a living and that cannot be helped but fun time on the computer should be just that...FUN...and not an all nighter! The information highway is fun and now has become necessary for many things but it's no substitute for hands on learning or fun. There's a great big world out there...go out and live then use your computer for fun and/or something useful.

Once again we see why Abraham Lincoln was one of our most loved and quoted Presidents. This makes so much sense it's a wonder we cannot find a middle ground and remedy this situation.

If ever there was a writing on Capitalism that encapsulated all my feelings about it this is it! Thank you, Jess, for sharing it with us. One has to wonder if it must take that long to turn around to what it ought to have been.

LOL@ledhead...I knew he had ya with that one! '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

First off ledhead, there was never anything in the Constitution about same sex marriages until some states put it there. The same with Roe vs, Wade. Abortion was never a part of the original Constitution. These rulings can be overturned at any time by the state high courts or the Supreme Court. It's really nothing new but it is disturbing in these cases since a marriage can go south just because of a ruling, which can also be overturned in kind, and leave a couple reeling from its impact.

Well stated Borme...I agree to the last word you've written.

That was such a revelation Jess, I'm glad you are so articulate and honest. We needn't reduce ourselves to the "Alpha-Male" instincts of dogs in order to feel over the top but those of us who can, must learn to take the bull by the horns and strain the BS out of life's foibles that others create. We show out mettle when we do this and as long as we can yield to greater people and things greater than we are and recognize ourselves for what we are...Alpha is a good thing to be.

SAT???? It was supposed to be said! YIKES, I'm going blind too!

I favor greatly what you sat Jess...I just wish to add one more thing to it. I think we should take a break in technology to go back over some of it to be certain everything is working as we wished it to. I don't like dark alleys as an end to something. If we've gotten something wrong, maybe it's time to correct it. Technology must be built upon lest the bottom crumble and fail in ways we would not wish it to.

I'm glad that sentiment is alive and well within you Joe. And yes, I care, more than you know. Thank-you for sharing that with us.

Sorry Joe, I didn't answer you in good time. Yes, the words are there Joe. I am a homosexual woman and you are a heterosexual man. Those words have always existed but it's the straight community who makes us much more different than we really are as people. I've have always shown myself as I really am and I must say that I haven't had too much of a problem with people across the board. You see me Joe...you see me as I really am, for every word I have written and spoken to you is me. I am no different off-line.

Yes, Joe! We are all in this together and I'm glad you made that statement! I don't think harshly of you when you make an honest and well thought out rebuttal. I only think that way when you start with your other type of debate or arguments!

You say you are also fighting the courts on something you say you're not entitled to. I don't know what that may be but you must keep fighting for a reason. We, too, fight for a reason. We fight for equality in all things because we are also viable human beings who deserve to be treated as such. ;-)

"Point one: I am a purist and I want the word 'marriage' to mean exactly what those who invented the word years ago defined it to be, "A civil union between a man and a woman." I don't want to change the meaning of the word to "The loving union between two individuals."

If a Civil Union was what they defined Marriage to be then what? You now have both of the words and/or statements by which the union is known. Does this mean we can have neither? If, as you state, we are not entitled to it then what shall people who wish to be married and enjoy a Civil Union be called? And why should it have to change? All any gay couple wishes to have are the things that are already defined by these words. If you change it, then you must define it. Then the ball starts to roll again in the direction of not being equal to Heterosexual people...but we are in all ways but one.

I, for one, am not in a war of any kind. I use logic and yes, I do use emotion along with logic in order to get some points across. Of course I can agree on the larger picture of people wanting something they are not entitled to but who decides we are not in this case? Straight people! Is this in any way just? I don't think it is and I wouldn't think so if the tables were turned.

I see a friendship forming here! Yes, indeed, another friendship begun at CD...how sweet!

While I do not believe it to be impossible it's pretty close to that unless states, counties and towns find something for them to do. I don't care if it's to clean up our roadways, parks, playgrounds or any other job that could possibly suit them.

Allow them to earn their fair share so they can, at the very least, live in section 8 or low income housing. If they need medical or mental care we need to get them onto our Medicare rolls and try to help them as best we can. Yes, some are truly off the beam and cannot do much, but everyone can do something. Every business in America should aid in keeping these people off the streets if they are viable and trustworthy.

There MUST be an answer to this problem and we need the people who sit in positions of aiding the poor to incorporate them into some sort of mainstream, even if it's only their own.

I know I am a heavy duty idealist but my God, can we not help our own from this tragic life they live?

That's one of your problems Jake...You tell people...you don't reason it out or even back it up with facts, statistics or anything else of value. You are completely homophobic Jake, face it. The possibility of this being a viable relationship is so foreign to you that you believe a child would be ruined by being a part of that relationship. Homosexuality is not a disease my friend...it's a way of life that was given those of us who are. No one should be punished because of it.

May Allah help the Palestinians in their hour of need and desperation. May God watch over all of us as we pray for peace in our world.

I take a huge risk in saying this but it has always seemed to me that Israel is to Palestine what Hitler was to the Jews. This insanity must end before another nation and its people are destroyed.

I have read this article three times and am bewildered at how, exactly, something like this could be set up and work for ALL the people of the world. This is not something which can be accomplished with a trial run. If it didn't work, and I am very wary of something like this happening, how would we go about reversing it?

This speaks of countries like India, China, Russia, France, the USA and Euro nations all ceding power to someone or something. The article states "The United Nations is becoming increasingly irrelevant and antiquated, unable to adapt its structure to accommodate rising powers." If we cannot work toward getting The United Nations back to being a relevant entity, how shall we begin a 'New World Order', as it were, and have that be a success?

I really don't know if this kind of global government could ever work between countries so very different from one another. What recourse will the people have under such an extreme way of governing? Yes, where will the people go if the horizon gives them nothing more and is no different than the very place they stand on? I don't know Jess, I really don't.

Does the truth hurt you that much?

Sweetie, I wasn't opposing you...it was Bradf0rd.

Jake, why should anyone lighten up? You're doing a pretty good job venting your point of view, why shouldn't others?

Jake, you are very fond of using the expression, "How many times do I have to tell you!"

First off that's a very cheeky statement. It a bit presumptuous of anyone to utter those words on subject matter they know so little about. Let me turn the tables though, for just one moment, when I say to you...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!

I have known "families" with two moms and two dads. They were very loving families and the children felt that love very deeply...even when the questions came, as they always do. Most of the kids I kept track of wouldn't have traded their upbringing for one second because it taught them things about prejudice, acceptance, being different and being OK with that. They say they would not have had that same opportunity has they been raised by straight parents. All of them are fine and none of them are gay, no matter which gender they grew up with.

Unless I am misunderstanding you, how can an infant feel alienated if he/he is brought up by straight people? The child has no idea that one of the parents are gay!

In 1967, all adoptions and all information was sealed...forever!Even if it weren't there is nothing to say the mother was telling the truth about herself or the father of the child! No one checked these things.

And where, may I ask, you're getting your statistics from?

I don't have the stats on that but logically I should think it would lean toward the adoption...although in my own case I've heard the horror stories of my daughter growing up as an adoptee...it wasn't pretty.


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