Let us at least hope it has tarnished it well enough so it begins to become extinct!
Dumb isn't the word! One has to wonder why oh why the driver didn't pass that phone over to the passenger so they could continue to text while the driver concentrated on the road. I guess the point would have been lost had they done it but oh my, I was very upset by this and yes, I actually vomited after seeing it.
They must be effective lest we lose more lives to having "fun" while driving. The video actually made me sick and I will never use my cell phone while driving again unless I stop first and get off the road. Nothing is worth this...nothing!
I don't know whether I like it or not! It would depend on why they're not airing it but it must be a pip if they don't want to.
China? I'm not getting your reference Mahollinder. I don't think the Chinese care as much about neutering as we do here and perhaps in other places.
No, it's not morally wrong to neuter or spay dogs and cats. Every organization I can think of advises you do just that. The unwanted, uncared for population is so out of hand that we cannot afford not to neuter as a precaution to more unwanted pets.
No Frenchie, I don't think it would be possible given the diversity of cultures we have today. It would take hundreds of years to bring it down to just one culture and that would entail intermarrying globally for scores of years not to mention the religious turmoil they would have to go through in order to finally rest on one religion. Religion alone can split a culture into a counter-culture.
No, It's the truth...nobody wins a war. There are no winners, but "What if they gave a war and nobody came?" Another Hippie saying! I do not see either Iraq or Afghanistan as a win situation. The best we can hope for is that by some quirk of fate we can get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice or just kill him outright. But then what...and then who?
There's no doubt in my mind we should abolish nuclear weapons but one thing comes to mind. We'd need to police th world and if we cannot engage them is nuclear disarmement talks, how will we know what they're using the components of nuclear energy for. This would take a tremendous effort on the world's behalf to assure every country is a clean country!
People are suffering so badly in this economy that I believe we need to address this first if not in tandem with the environment. I seriously believe it can be done his way if the economy is strangethened so that we will have the funding needed to set ourselves free from overseas oil production and costs thereof.
Physical books are my way! It may not be the way of the future but it's mine. I have a library most would envy and I can to to each book I've read and find what I'm looking for fairly quickly. I'm one who doesn't like to read on-line unless it's a short article...it bothers my eyes to do so. I like curling up in bed under ambient light and read away...so no e-books or kindle for me. Anyone want to buy some books? LOL!
Good Lord no! Then small companies can get away with paying even less than they do now. I think the minimum wage is much too low but to remove it would be self defeating.
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That just may be the worst and tasteless thing I've ever heard you say Pyggy! That is so unfair especially since the man was NEVER convicted of anything! I don't think you or the world will ever understand a man like MJ!
I agree totally Jess. Without honor, humanity is nothing and nothing counts.
I've never found my front page again not even when I click on the open star and include the debate on my psych page. The logo never comes up. I give up on this.
Tuggy, can you say how Obama will destroy our country? That's a pretty large assumption if you ask me. Just back this up with some facts, if you can.
It most certainly can Mick...it most certainly can. Three cheers for buying a suitable solution for lust!
Now it's even more interesting. I'm glad you chose it for it represents my sentiments about myself as well. Lord knows I won't forget this name. Thanks for taking time to tell us.
As The Beatles said: "Money Can't Buy Me Love." That is so true and it can only buy temporary happiness. After the money is gone so too will your friends fall by the wayside and certainly a love interest will go as well...unless you met that person and fell in love prior to the windfall of money in your life. Money can only buy material things that will keep you 'happy' for a moment or two, but nothing lasting because you'll always want more and you'll always want newer or better. Money simply makes life easier to live than living without it or living on a lot less.
Pung Sviti...that is such an interesting name! Can you give us its origins or meaning?
Education is always worth the time and money one puts into it providing one applies themselves to the tasks at hand. It may cost a lot to get an education but it will cost you more in the long run if you don't. If you're not college material at least try to get some further education in a field that may suit you so that you can enter that field with the tools you need.
I think he will be remembered for the great talents he possessed and for his brand of weirdness as well. This was one talented man whose name will be forever tainted by allegations which may not be true. It's a tremendous loss but I think the best was behind him unless he had something new for the upcoming tour which they will release if they have it prepared.
There is no doubt in my mind that this country will implode due to the inordinate amount of internal fissures we experience. I know we must face the fact that external threats are upon us but we must heal the wounds inside before we can become strong enough to deal with what's just over the ridge.
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It was not meant in that way jc. It's a reply to what Jake wrote. He would just like to piss them off by building it higher! Build it the way you wish just NOT because of anything to do with them.
The drawings you speak of are beautiful and will replace the towers nicely. I don't understand why you would want them the way they were or taller just to piss off the terrorists! No major city needs buildings that big and Manhattan is better looking now that those gargantuan buildings are gone from the skyline. Why taunt people who have no regard for us or our lives? No one made them smaller because we're afraid of these people. They're going to be a grand addition to Manhattan once they're built.
Pyggy...do you think that the BBC, PBS and NPR are corrupt as well? Since we have two of the three here in America, wouldn't it be beneficial to have a third just dealing with unbiased news? I'd pay for that! Don't you think one has to trust someone at sometime and not think everything or everyone is corrupt?
I don't believe there should ever be a limit on the amount of immigrants applying to this country for citizenship. All should be welcome here so long as they abide by the laws of this country and do their best to fit into the mainstream of life here, which includes learning the language. Immigrants built this country and continue to do so as they join the labor forces here.
Immigrants are not our enemies...it's the way they are handled that is. The immigration process should also ensure that the person cannot be deported for anything but illegal activity while their applications are in good standing. The process also needs to be much shorter than it is today. As I've said on other debates about this subject, I know people who have waited 17-18 years for their citizenship to come through. ESL should be mandatory and enlisting your children into the school process should also be mandatory. Checking in every 3-4 months should also be mandatory lest we lose track of people while they move about.
If we were a more welcoming country perhaps we wouldn't have to deal with the high number of illegal immigrants we see on the news and read about in the newspapers!
I cannot toally disagree with you Jess but all that expensive equipment is being paid for with people who have and pay for their services. No, I cannot disagree with your logic but I sure don't like it much when giving up a portion of your money making practice could save many lives in the end as well. I wish life were like "House." ;p
I do think we eat more meat then we should but these last years have found us eating healthier foods in general. With the addition of poultry and fish added to our diets I think we've come a long way from the meat and potato meals many of us grew up with and even our snacks are healthier than ever. I don't think meat equals murder in any way since most meats are raised for human consumption and the supply is never depleted because of this. Meat, in adequate and reasonable amounts, balances our diet and it's not that we couldn't all be vegan's or vegetarians but why not eat the meat that is given to us via the age old system of supply and demand when being either of those doesn't appeal to our personal tastes.
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A life is priceless...it has no price tag on it. If a young person is terminally ill, someone in the medical field needs to step up to the plate and lend their expertise to the situation. I so wish we had socialized medicine in this country or something very similar to it. Becoming a doctor is a very costly undertaking but abiding by your oath is something that costs nothing and can help beyond measure in time of need.
I may be Jake but I forgot to say what a slime ball Glenn Beck is too! He invites someone on his show and proceeds to lambaste him with "facts & figures" that make no sense out of context then throws the guy out after he over talked him for 10 minutes. He's just a rude hombre!
Those are the three basics I would have named but the fact still remains there is more than enough room in this country for more people. There are hundreds of thousands of acres of land throughout the states that stand unused because of location. Building helps location become viable and there's more than enough that could be done to accomodate the people who wish to live here.
Sorry, I meant drinking, voting, enlisting and stuff like that at 16...not just anything. It was a bad choice of words.
The only ACORN I trust are my Acorn shoes...they fit beautifully and are made to do what they claim. The other ACORN is as corrupt as all get-out!
I don't see the age of 16 being a very good age for anything other than driving with a junior license. I have nothing against 16 year olds, mind you, but I simply do not believe they have the wherewithal needed to make such a viable and heavy decision.
Up voted immediately my boy! Yours was a well put and truthful reply to the question yet they still do not bother to look up what constitutes a down vote or an up vote. Maybe because it was Sunday and their team was losing. Who knows, you cannot figure it out no matter how hard you try...and YOU know how hard I've tried!!! Have a great day mate!
Absolutely not. Letterman is a consummate tongue in cheek comedian and everyone knows this. Even the backwoods Palin's must be aware but it's her golden opportunity to keep a good thing going as she always does when her name is mentioned anywhere. Perhaps the lady doth protest too much? Her reputation and background are hardly as pristine as she would love everyone to believe. Sarah Palin should really back up, back off and try and be the Governor of the great snow covered state of Alaska where she can shoot all the game she can eat or probably wouldn't dare eat. Trophies seem to be her middle name...or was it Pristine?
Boy I sure don't get the way this stuff works...I'm at a loss here. Why can I not go to my debates and then the general debate section at will. And why do I always end up on Jess's page?
It's not that easy to become gay but when the choices are slight what does one do? Sex is one thing and having a loving, caring relationship is quite another. I'm surprised studies haven't been done on such things or maybe I simply haven't heard of them but I should think that a loving relationship would be difficult to come by when incarcerated. We are humans and as such we need the touch of another human being to sooth our souls. I can only wonder how the rest of the population who think they're straight take to this type of behavior!
Thank you Jess and I understand why you wouldn't wish to roll out all your personal problems on the internet...but you could do it as a friend asking about another friend if you're uncomfortable.
Thanks Loud...I just don't know how to do all that yet but I'm trying. Also, Jake has opened the same type of debate I have and I don't know if there is room for two here since we've never had a psychology section heretofore. Can you help me do what I have to do please because I'm really not understanding what I have to do in order for all to see my debates or have others contribute.
Either one is solely as the discretion of the patient and it so depends on which avenue of approach is best for your type of illness. One of the draws backs of ELS is still the problem with memory, long and short term. Even though ELS is gentler today there still remains the problem of memory.
ECLECTICISM THEORY AND THERAPY is a subject matter I am not familiar with so someone else may have to speak to that until I can bring myself up to speed on the mode, if you will.
I would try and comfort them in any way I could since this is a shocking revelation to the person. I would also advise them to divulge this diagnosis to anyone they've been in sexual contact with for the last 6 months to a year to see if further incidents might be avoided if they could do so. I would be open with them and to them in answering all questions I have the answers to and also advise them to do the research needed so they don't pass this on to others.
I'll take this side since Nichole took the other. I'm not at all certain on-line debate is the thing but she makes some good points. Years ago on every Saturday afternoon, TV had schools debating one another on any variety of topics and they seemed to be well mannered and civil not to mention that everyone allowed each debater to make their point without interruption! That was the best but today, on TV you watch the talking heads speaking over each other, each trying to outdo the other. If it was all like that I wouldn't like it very much and opt into the other side quickly! I liked the Presidential debates and thought they were fairly well handled by the moderators in charge. I thought they were very fairly done.
Sorry David, it was a given that they did indeed bring it up. I'm sorry for not explaining that further.
Yes, I think it is bad to spend an inordinate amount of time in front of a PC. I should think it would depend on what one does for a living and that cannot be helped but fun time on the computer should be just that...FUN...and not an all nighter! The information highway is fun and now has become necessary for many things but it's no substitute for hands on learning or fun. There's a great big world out there...go out and live then use your computer for fun and/or something useful.
Once again we see why Abraham Lincoln was one of our most loved and quoted Presidents. This makes so much sense it's a wonder we cannot find a middle ground and remedy this situation.
If ever there was a writing on Capitalism that encapsulated all my feelings about it this is it! Thank you, Jess, for sharing it with us. One has to wonder if it must take that long to turn around to what it ought to have been.
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First off ledhead, there was never anything in the Constitution about same sex marriages until some states put it there. The same with Roe vs, Wade. Abortion was never a part of the original Constitution. These rulings can be overturned at any time by the state high courts or the Supreme Court. It's really nothing new but it is disturbing in these cases since a marriage can go south just because of a ruling, which can also be overturned in kind, and leave a couple reeling from its impact.
Well stated Borme...I agree to the last word you've written.
That was such a revelation Jess, I'm glad you are so articulate and honest. We needn't reduce ourselves to the "Alpha-Male" instincts of dogs in order to feel over the top but those of us who can, must learn to take the bull by the horns and strain the BS out of life's foibles that others create. We show out mettle when we do this and as long as we can yield to greater people and things greater than we are and recognize ourselves for what we are...Alpha is a good thing to be.
SAT???? It was supposed to be said! YIKES, I'm going blind too!
I favor greatly what you sat Jess...I just wish to add one more thing to it. I think we should take a break in technology to go back over some of it to be certain everything is working as we wished it to. I don't like dark alleys as an end to something. If we've gotten something wrong, maybe it's time to correct it. Technology must be built upon lest the bottom crumble and fail in ways we would not wish it to.
I'm glad that sentiment is alive and well within you Joe. And yes, I care, more than you know. Thank-you for sharing that with us.
Sorry Joe, I didn't answer you in good time. Yes, the words are there Joe. I am a homosexual woman and you are a heterosexual man. Those words have always existed but it's the straight community who makes us much more different than we really are as people. I've have always shown myself as I really am and I must say that I haven't had too much of a problem with people across the board. You see me Joe...you see me as I really am, for every word I have written and spoken to you is me. I am no different off-line.
Yes, Joe! We are all in this together and I'm glad you made that statement! I don't think harshly of you when you make an honest and well thought out rebuttal. I only think that way when you start with your other type of debate or arguments!
You say you are also fighting the courts on something you say you're not entitled to. I don't know what that may be but you must keep fighting for a reason. We, too, fight for a reason. We fight for equality in all things because we are also viable human beings who deserve to be treated as such. ;-)
"Point one: I am a purist and I want the word 'marriage' to mean exactly what those who invented the word years ago defined it to be, "A civil union between a man and a woman." I don't want to change the meaning of the word to "The loving union between two individuals."
If a Civil Union was what they defined Marriage to be then what? You now have both of the words and/or statements by which the union is known. Does this mean we can have neither? If, as you state, we are not entitled to it then what shall people who wish to be married and enjoy a Civil Union be called? And why should it have to change? All any gay couple wishes to have are the things that are already defined by these words. If you change it, then you must define it. Then the ball starts to roll again in the direction of not being equal to Heterosexual people...but we are in all ways but one.
I, for one, am not in a war of any kind. I use logic and yes, I do use emotion along with logic in order to get some points across. Of course I can agree on the larger picture of people wanting something they are not entitled to but who decides we are not in this case? Straight people! Is this in any way just? I don't think it is and I wouldn't think so if the tables were turned.
I see a friendship forming here! Yes, indeed, another friendship begun at CD...how sweet!
While I do not believe it to be impossible it's pretty close to that unless states, counties and towns find something for them to do. I don't care if it's to clean up our roadways, parks, playgrounds or any other job that could possibly suit them.
Allow them to earn their fair share so they can, at the very least, live in section 8 or low income housing. If they need medical or mental care we need to get them onto our Medicare rolls and try to help them as best we can. Yes, some are truly off the beam and cannot do much, but everyone can do something. Every business in America should aid in keeping these people off the streets if they are viable and trustworthy.
There MUST be an answer to this problem and we need the people who sit in positions of aiding the poor to incorporate them into some sort of mainstream, even if it's only their own.
I know I am a heavy duty idealist but my God, can we not help our own from this tragic life they live?
That's one of your problems Jake...You tell people...you don't reason it out or even back it up with facts, statistics or anything else of value. You are completely homophobic Jake, face it. The possibility of this being a viable relationship is so foreign to you that you believe a child would be ruined by being a part of that relationship. Homosexuality is not a disease my friend...it's a way of life that was given those of us who are. No one should be punished because of it.
May Allah help the Palestinians in their hour of need and desperation. May God watch over all of us as we pray for peace in our world.
I take a huge risk in saying this but it has always seemed to me that Israel is to Palestine what Hitler was to the Jews. This insanity must end before another nation and its people are destroyed.
I have read this article three times and am bewildered at how, exactly, something like this could be set up and work for ALL the people of the world. This is not something which can be accomplished with a trial run. If it didn't work, and I am very wary of something like this happening, how would we go about reversing it?
This speaks of countries like India, China, Russia, France, the USA and Euro nations all ceding power to someone or something. The article states "The United Nations is becoming increasingly irrelevant and antiquated, unable to adapt its structure to accommodate rising powers." If we cannot work toward getting The United Nations back to being a relevant entity, how shall we begin a 'New World Order', as it were, and have that be a success?
I really don't know if this kind of global government could ever work between countries so very different from one another. What recourse will the people have under such an extreme way of governing? Yes, where will the people go if the horizon gives them nothing more and is no different than the very place they stand on? I don't know Jess, I really don't.
Jake, why should anyone lighten up? You're doing a pretty good job venting your point of view, why shouldn't others?
Jake, you are very fond of using the expression, "How many times do I have to tell you!"
First off that's a very cheeky statement. It a bit presumptuous of anyone to utter those words on subject matter they know so little about. Let me turn the tables though, for just one moment, when I say to you...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!
I have known "families" with two moms and two dads. They were very loving families and the children felt that love very deeply...even when the questions came, as they always do. Most of the kids I kept track of wouldn't have traded their upbringing for one second because it taught them things about prejudice, acceptance, being different and being OK with that. They say they would not have had that same opportunity has they been raised by straight parents. All of them are fine and none of them are gay, no matter which gender they grew up with.
Unless I am misunderstanding you, how can an infant feel alienated if he/he is brought up by straight people? The child has no idea that one of the parents are gay!
In 1967, all adoptions and all information was sealed...forever!Even if it weren't there is nothing to say the mother was telling the truth about herself or the father of the child! No one checked these things.
And where, may I ask, you're getting your statistics from?
I don't have the stats on that but logically I should think it would lean toward the adoption...although in my own case I've heard the horror stories of my daughter growing up as an adoptee...it wasn't pretty.
When you stop writing to me I'll stop. I have no intention on answering you otherwise but I won't have you write garbage about me without defending myself.....So why don't you leave well enough alone and I'll have nothing to reply to. It's real simple!
You have to sort this and many other debates that have extended replies by "Show All Replies." on top. The problem with that is if you need to resond to someone and do, it reverts back again and you have to click on it again to expand the debate!
Why would anyone chop you to pieces for putting up a well written rebuttal? Is it me you fear?
I've heard of people trying to repress their desire to be with their own sex but I don't know how they could possibly know about their hormones! Many Catholics have tried to do what the church says is right to do...some have failed and some have not, on some level. Look at it this way for a moment. You're straight...you were born that way. 90% of the rest of the world is gay because they were born that way. Could I or anyone convince you, or would you be happy if someone were to try and change you into being gay? I don't think that would be possible, do you?
It's also interesting to me that the churches have softened their views of this too. Not the Catholic church but others. Some even ordain gay people into the priesthood or the ministry. That tells me something has changed through the years. Could it be the medical findings of all those poor dead people who succumbed to AIDS that changed their minds? It certainly would mine or at the very least, re-think it. If people are born this way, how can they help what they were born to be?
I don't know who you're opposing here but if it's inkeddreams you're off the mark. Ask anyone what it was like for them to come out to their parents and they'll tell you the same thing.
That's good...but I find I don't have the time or inclination to look it all up for you as I said I would. If you don't believe it then look it up and refute those of us who know it to be true.
Do you expect me to believe that YOU don't care about points? YOU, who do everything in your power to collect them so that it's at the point of being ridiculous! You tried to give me your points? Yes, right....when you know darned well that cannot be done nor would I expect that of anyone and least of all you!
I'm the one who started name calling? Please tell me you're joking! Outside of this argument between us, tell me who, what and where!
I am always interested in negotiating with anyone who will listen. Successful negotiations need two people to want to resolve something. Who do you think straightened out the terrible incident with repubgal? Yes, you bet I'm entitled, just as everyone else is to be treated fairly and like a human being. Those are things I'll never give up on. I'll fight it for me and I'll fight it for you and anyone else. That's a matter of record on this site and in my life. I could hate you but still stand up for your right to be.
I don't know if you've noticed but over the last years most churches have been more and more tolerant of gay people and accept them as any other member...just like regular people. Even the civil ceremony calls it a marriage. Pay no attention to what the conversation is between Joe & myself. Most of it doesn't apply...it's a personal thing between us now.
That wasn't my mission but it will now be my pleasure to do just that. You've just exposed your true colors for all to see. I'm advising you to stay as far away from me as you possibly can.
I've been a part of the cause for 40 years while you haven't been in it for 40 minutes! You know nothing of us or what we need. Joe is for Joe, and no one and nothing else.
No thanks...That would be like biting a sesame seed. I like to be able to see what I bite and it also has to be clean.
Another piece of brilliance from machonazi! That is now the counter to feminazi....what you call women!
Well thanks for the info...it sure is interesting that you would know that. I've voted you down a hundred times and all for the same reason. How many times do you wish me to repeat it?
Well thanks for the advice straight boy but quite frankly, you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to gay rights, what we want or what we deserve as human beings. It's not the word they object to...it's the entire concept. Your analogy of the homeless guy needing a bed to sleep in is about as demented as you are.
Joe, I don't give a twaddle if you agree with me on any issue but the one thing you're wrong about is that I ever expected you to share my views nor do I expect that from anyone here or in my life. That's not friendship, that's being a puppet at someone else's whim. Being a friend Joe means that one must choose words carefully when you know that the other person is offended or hurt by the subject matter. You don't make a joke about it, at the very least! Think about what I said on the debate when that person was looking for your retirement from this site. I said what I did because it was wrong and you were my ally even though I was still bruised from the last brouhaha regarding Repubgal. You were so busy trying to think of unfunny things to say you couldn't think for one moment that I may have needed some words of encouragement from you on that board! And another thing....you seem to think you have to accept MY decision to relegate you to the cheap seats and name you an enemy. I don't need your permission to do that and I don't care if you like it or not.
And if you're going to quote the Serenity Prayer, why don't you try and get it right. Perhaps the real prayer will mean more than Joe's version of it. It goes like this Boffo:
God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can and Wisdom to know the difference.
I don't need to feel better but perhaps you do. I can only hope that someday you can comprehend its meaning.
That is exactly the caliber of response I would expect from a homophobic person. Pick a different word? Different from what? Marriage? I don't care if tradition has heretofore dictated a union between a man and a woman because, guess what? Tradition is on the verge of being expanded to incorporate homosexuals as well and it's high time.
We are different from the majority of people that live on this earth insofar as we are only attracted to our own sex but we are also the same in many ways if not every other way. In another post I told you that we have already shown you how we are different and you couldn't or wouldn't accept that. I'm not forcing you or the world to do anything Joe. When the final votes are in and tallied and we win, bit by bit and mile by mile...you and the rest will see you had nothing to fear, nothing to object to and nothing to lose. You and millions of others will see how alike we really are.
I accept at least 90% if not more of the people that contribute to this site. You just happen to be one of the three I do not accept anymore and that decision took me a while. My vision of what this site should be does not differ that much from what it is, however, when I do have a problem with something I bring it up and try to talk about it! And I'll bring it up again and again until I can get the attention of the powers that be. My vision of how votes should be used also doesn't differ that much from what was perceived as the correct way to use them, whether they be up or down. I don't have to have a complete reason for why someone up or down voted me or anyone else but down voting has been as huge issue for me since I'm the one who got hit. I certainly didn't notice anyone stepping up to say that was wrong before I made the accusatory debate. People can simply run in and out of debates, down vote someone they don't like and up vote those they do and that is not right! It renders the numbers meaningless. I also haven't heard any suggestions made to make the voting better for everyone!
Accepted? Yes! Everyone wishes to be accepted on their own terms but if that means I must accept a person when they behave like a complete ass, that's not something I would do. If someone else has a problem with me they usually state it but I haven't heard much from anyone except the very young ones so what shall I think? There are plenty of people whose views I don't agree with but I accept them for who they are and how they are, generally speaking. The only thing I do not accept, across the board, are those that are ill mannered and can say nothing in defense of their own arguments other than to start the name calling or rag on the age routine. I don't wish to have my cake and eat it too and I do not understand why you would accuse me of wanting that. The only other thing I don't understand at all is your very last sentence; BTW, if log on as I down vote, you can down vote again ;) What does that mean?
Internet or not...This IS a DEBATE SITE and not a garbage pail! It certainly doesn't have to be C-SPAN but it would be nice if this site and the people who debate here were taken a bit more seriouly than this! This isn't open mike night at The Comedy Club...if it were, he'd lose.
That is such a bogus argument Joe. "You claim to be different but want to be seen as the same." My God man, take a black man and a white woman, they're not the same but they can now marry (since 1967!). You've seen us as different for eons and that hasn't allowed people to accept us! For all intents and purposes we are very much the same insofar as we all want the same things in life. From you, we can't get that without the fight of a lifetime ensuing. I, for one, couldn't care less if genetic engineering can one day change a gay gene! There'll be less pain in the world if that happened BUT, does anyone have the right to do that? Go work on the autism gene or the Downs syndrome gene or the idiot savant gene...then you will have accomplished something!
That is as far from the truth as one can get! There are no statistics that show that your take on this is true.
Hasn't it become obvious to you as yet that one "silly" word is NOT silly at all to gay people? We wish it to mean exactly what the word 'Marriage' connotes and carries with it. It's a real simple thing but straight people think they are more than we are and that's why they want a copyright on the word.
I'll search for the links to the findings and get back to you. This began several years ago when they began doing full autopsies on HIV/AIDS patients that had succumbed to the disease via cancer, pneumonia and a host of other diseases. It was the first time anyone in the medical field was alerted to that phenomenon. It's both a shame and a blessing that they were able to recognize this for the first time. In the very beginning it was only on men since they were dying in astounding numbers. I'll find as many links as I can and get them to you Kirstie.
What is it that makes you think you're funny Joe? What makes you think you can write anything you please on the debate boards and not have to pay the piper for it? I just voted you down for the remark you made in this debate and will continue to do so every time I see an answer from you that is not germane or is disguised as a piece of humor because you don't really care to take a stand. On this one you used the tag to get your true feelings on the board and decided to make a "butt" joke out of the topic.
I can't be an ally anymore Joe. Even though my sense of fun and humor are intact...yours really isn't because you use it to injure and hurt people. You make a mockery of things that are important to many people and you just don't care about anyone else but yourself Joe. I don't really know what you're doing here! You put up debates that are ridiculous, you put up arguments that are even more ridiculous and, quite frankly, I don't know why CD allows it. You lend no credibility to this site nor do you even think about it in that way. You said once that all you want to do is have fun and show people that they take things too seriously in life. This IS a debate site...don't you think that one of the reasons for its existence and success is the fact that people do take things seriously enough to come debate whatever issue they feel is worth discussing? Why don't you take a moment to think about what I've said Joe. Until you can really be an ally or a friend...Adios!
Straight people love to pull morality and self righteous dogma from their religions and throw them into this argument but it just doesn't fly anymore. Gay marriage hurts no one in any way whatsoever. From all the studies they've done through the years plus the definitive information that was culled from the brains of dead AIDS patients, it is a fact that there is a center of the brain that is much different than that of the heterosexual, that it can no longer be denied. We're different than you are.
